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🗓️ 3 December 2025
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In Part 1 of this two part exploration, we turn from the mind to the body and begin with a mystery that modern science has struggled to explain. Energy healing is one of the oldest medical traditions on Earth, yet it has long existed at the margins of Western understanding. The episode opens with a Cambridge-trained material scientist, Simon Duan, whose worldview shifts instantly when a Qigong practitioner in China removes his wisdom teeth pain-free - without anesthesia. His story leads us into the origins of ancient Chinese medicine, where psychic doctors once perceived organs with their mind’s eye and communicated with plants to understand their medicinal properties. From there, we meet healer Julie Goeltz, whose husband’s life-threatening lymphedema disappeared during a Reiki session, launching her into a practice that now includes remote healing and vivid remote viewing experiences that transcend physical distance. We also hear from author and clinician Jill Blakeway, who describes energy healing as the body’s own intelligence becoming coherent and who has spent years tracing the science behind these subtle forces.
The investigation widens further through the work of physician-scientist Dr. Neil Theise, whose research helped identify the interstitium, a fluid-filled network running through the body that behaves electrically and may be the physical basis for meridians, chakras, and the subtle systems described by healers for thousands of years. This discovery raises a provocative possibility that the interstitium may carry not only fluid but information. If so, the boundary between mind and body becomes more permeable than we imagine. Part 1 sets the foundation for next week’s episode, where we follow healers and scientists into the lab as they attempt to capture what might be moving between people during healing itself.
For this episode we would like to thank:
Phenomena, a three-part documentary and six part podcast featuring exclusive access to groundbreaking scientists, transformative healers, and evidence that’s rewriting what we know about energy healing and the human body https://www.phenomenahealing.com/telepathytapes
The Emerald Gate Charitable Trust, a philanthropic foundation committed to improving the human condition and expanding the conscious mind through rigorous scientific research, whose research has been cited in this podcast https://emeraldgatefoundation.org/research-projects/
The Subtle Energy Funders Collective, a network of philanthropists in support of bringing energy healing to the mainstream through a systems change approach www.subtleenergyfunderscollective.com
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| 0:00.0 | Hi everyone, this is Kai Dickens, and you're listening to the Telepathy Tapes podcast. |
| 0:05.5 | In season one, non-speakers showed us that telepathy is possible, shattering our assumptions about the world itself. |
| 0:13.6 | This season, we're turning to others who've also been dismissed, doubted, or mocked for the ways they claim to know, see, heal, or create. What if only by listening |
| 0:24.1 | to those who've been ignored, we could unlock the deepest mysteries of who we are, where we come |
| 0:29.7 | from, and where we're going. This is the telepathy tapes, and we're opening up the next channel. |
| 0:38.5 | Last week, we explored whether psychedelics could help us tap into a larger field of consciousness, |
| 0:43.2 | because if they're one of the oldest bridges humans have to tap into a larger field, |
| 0:47.1 | and invites another question, does consciousness or the larger information field only engage with our mind, |
| 0:52.6 | or can it engage with our physical bodies too? |
| 0:55.8 | Energy healing is where the mysteries of these unseen forces leave the mind and enter the body, |
| 1:01.0 | where intention meets biology, and telepathy meets physiology. It's one of the oldest practices |
| 1:06.2 | humans have ever created, found in cultures across the world long before modern medicine |
| 1:10.7 | existed. |
| 1:11.6 | And today, it's resurfacing through research, data, and lived experiences that challenge |
| 1:16.3 | the very foundation of Western science. And to begin, we start with someone who never believed |
| 1:21.1 | in any of this, a Cambridge-trained material scientist who had his worldview altered by a single |
| 1:26.3 | experience. I was happily working as a material scientist. had his worldview altered by a single experience. |
| 1:35.0 | I was happily working as a material scientist. So I came to study from China with a PhD in material science from Cambridge University, metals, ceramics, polymers, advanced semiconductors. |
| 1:42.2 | This is Dr. Simon Duan, founder and CEO of Metacomputics Labs. He studied |
| 1:46.6 | material science, so he trusted matter and measurement and nothing really beyond it, until something |
| 1:51.5 | happened in Dr. Duan's life that defied his understanding of the world and the logic of material |
| 1:56.4 | science. That's why I go beyond physics and getting to the consciousness study, because I realize material science cannot really explain what I have experienced, what I have witnessed. |
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