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The Ask NTWrite Anything podcast.

Hello there, this is Dr Michael Bird from Ridley College in Melbourne, Australia.

And this is Tom Wright from Oxford in England.

Now, Tom, we've known each other for a while. I think I first physically met you at a conference in Scotland. I think it was the Edinburgh Dogmatics

conference. It was the first time we met. And that was a fun conference. I remember, I think it was

Don Carson and Bruce McCormack, two scholars going back and forth at each other.

But since then, we've cooperated on a large number of things,

ranging from a New Testament introduction, and more recently with forays into political theology,

which given current global events, I like to think, is kind of relevant. A lot of them always seem to center

on heaven, hell, resurrection, or the end time. So we've got one question, Tom. This comes from

Alex Hawkins. He's got a good one. He says, is God's judgment on sinners eternal conscious torment or annihilation or a combination of both?

Well, I mean, that's a pretty hefty one to ask about, you know, hell and eternal conscious torment.

These are things that people do have a lot of anxiety about.

Tom, what are your thoughts on this topic? Yeah, I've always been cautious about this because

again and again when the New Testament talks about some sort of imminent, terrible judgment,

it's actually talking about the upcoming destruction of Jerusalem. When Jesus says

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