This episode of Transmissions contains references to suicide.

Nothing would have stopped us.

Nothing did stop us, did it?

They just kept moving forward.

Ian's death didn't stop us, Martin's death didn't stop us,

getting all the equipment stolen didn't stop us.

Through tragedy after tragedy and a complete reinvention.

There was nothing to go back to. There was no plan B.

To emerge with music, adored the world over, to this day.

You're uncompromising, rebellious, perverse.

I had that moment of clarity like, wow, this sounds like nobody else in the world.

It's muscle music, it's fish music.

Some members of both bands felt there was a competition.

I never really did. I was always a new order fan.

They've never really started to take a breath.

We'd never planned a year in advance because you just lived in the moment. That was the point where I had a word we were about feeling like I was burnt out.

He ignored me.

I mean, I don't know whether we need a therapist or an exorcist.

I'm Elizabeth Holker.

Welcome back to Transmissions, the definitive story of Joy Division and New Order.

You define New Order by the things that they don't do, rather than the things that they actually do do.

And it's kind of like, well, we don't want our picture on the sleeve we don't want the single

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