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Season 24 survivors discuss violence that they endured as children, which may be triggering for some

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We reached out to Blue Ridge therapeutic wellness to request a response for comment in regards to multiple stories from survivors involving their past and current programs.

Their current executive director, Danielle Hava, LCSW, requested a phone call, which took place Tuesday, September 2, 2025, to better understand the allegations before writing a

written response. Danielle Hava is Blue Ridge Therapeutic Wilderness's executive director and is a licensed

clinical social worker in the state of Georgia. As a reminder, an LCSW, or licensed clinical social worker is a type of therapist and counselor

who provides mental health services, but their practice is typically distinguished by a unique

focus on a client's social and environmental factors within a broader holistic approach.

However, in regards to this discussion,

HAVA is operating as the executive director under founder and owner Dan McDougal.

While we agreed we would not publicly air our phone call conversation, I think it's extremely important for context for you to hear what questions I submitted to them

and what they came back with. Here's a summarized list of questions that I posed to Danielle Hava,

Executive Director Blue Ridge Therapeutic Wilderness. As a therapist, how do you justify putting

your name and license behind these programs, given their

history of allegations? How is it acceptable for your company to allow children to be transported

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