They're all things that have to be dealt with, and they all seem absolutely horrific at the time.

But three weeks later, they won't be horrific. It won't carry on forever. Life will go on.

You've just got to ride it.

I'm excited to share today's conversation, not only because I've known Ned for two decades, but also I think you're going

to feel this sense of calmness that comes along when this gentleman tells his story.

His name's Ned, and he has founded the company, the Glutness Gardner and Grobar.

And these are two businesses that have started their lives grown

from a love of nature and gardens and plants and all the beautiful things. All the things I cannot

do as I do not possess a single green finger. But here is a gentleman who for three decades has built businesses

around something that he loves to do. He's been through the ups, he's been through the downs.

And in this story, I get a real sense of going back to what it was like when you start a business back in the good old days.

You know, the marigold tales, so to speak.

And certainly Ned shares with us the silly mistakes, the crazy ideas, and how he keeps getting

out of bed every single day, that sense of responsibility, and the fact that

when you have a product that lives and dies, you don't have much choice. This conversation with

Ned brought such a quiet kind of peace, a sort of, I don't know, cementing of something that I thought

I knew and I could feel in my bones. And it's given me

so much food for thought about the enthusiasm that we can have for decades and decades and

decades with our company. And I've got a feeling, anyone with not a single green finger like

myself, you might feel like you want to go and potter in the garden after

this, which is what I feel. Enjoy.

Bow your head and let your eyelids close on down. Where we're going, you won't need to bring

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