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I'm Molly Wansel. And I'm Geoffrey Wansel. And for the the last 16 years or thereabouts we have been having lunch every Saturday and often our conversation turns to murder and that's what's prompted us to launch this true crime podcast called Blood Ties.

Hi everyone welcome back to the Blood Ties podcast I'm Molly Wansall and I'm here with my father

Jeffrey Wansall. Hello everyone. Welcome back. It's always a delight to have you. Thank you for

listening. Yeah, thanks. How are you doing, Dad? Not bad. It's been a week of a lot of true crime. All of a sudden, I don't know, perhaps it's the podcast, but I have, this week alone, I've had four separate television production companies, about four separate cases, all saying, oh, could we speak to you?

We just like a chat, we know you know about all this.

And it's further evidence, darling, of the incredible interest there is in this area now.

It's astonishing how fascinated people are by it.

Yes, I know, but I think you've been saying that you were getting busier and busier anyway, weren't you? Yes, I was, but it's sort of rather astonishing because back in 1995, when I first got commissioned to write the West biography,

it was a very, very quiet area.

He said, oh, nobody wants to read about true crime anymore.

And yet now, all of a sudden, everybody wants to read about it,

and everybody wants to see television programs about it.

It is absolutely amazing.

And it's in a period of what, 23 years?

In that period, my goodness me.

And that's why all these podcasts have exploded, you know, true crime podcasts of one shape or form or another.

And that's, in a way, I suppose, evidence of what we talk about from time to time, and that's, people like to see human frailty.

It's something about, why do people do that? What makes them do that? Yeah. It's very interesting.

Also, you were telling me that some of our most successful podcasts are unsolved crimes.

Yeah, apparently we've had the most listens to our podcast about unsolved, yeah, unsolved crimes.

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