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dig it 5. Hello, everyone, and welcome to the illegal news. I'm Sarah Longwell,

publisher of the bulwark, and famously not a lawyer. So I am joined today by Kate Shaw,

and I have been joined by many fancy lawyers on this podcast. But Kate may be the fanciest of them

all. She clerked for the

Seventh Circuit and for the Supreme Court. She worked at the White House Counsel's Office.

She's a professor of law at the University of Pennsylvania Law School, the school I didn't

get into. And she is co-host of the podcast, strict scrutiny. She's the second strict

scrutiny I've had on this podcast. Most importantly, or so I'm told by the lawyers in my

office, she graduated from Northwestern University Law School. And I am surrounded by, go cats,

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