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George Conway Explains It All (To Sarah Longwell)

S2 Ep133: How the DOJ Turned Its Easiest Case Into Trump’s Escape Hatch

George Conway Explains It All (To Sarah Longwell)

The Bulwark

News, Politics, Society & Culture

4.82.8K Ratings

🗓️ 17 November 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

George Conway is joined by Carol Leonnig and Aaron Davis to discuss their new book ‘Injustice’, exploring how the DOJ handled Trump-related investigations from 2017 to the present, including delays, internal hesitations, and decisions that shaped the January 6 and classified documents cases.

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0:00.0

We'll never know if Garland had loosened the prosecutors like J.P. Cooney to do what they proposed doing in February of 2021.

0:11.6

We'll never know if it would have been enough time and if the Supreme Court's immunity decision that they ultimately were going to give broad immunity to Trump.

0:19.8

We'll never know if it would have ultimately that extra time would have led to Trump's

0:25.8

conviction at trial or to a trial, right?

0:28.3

We don't know.

0:33.3

Hello and welcome to George Conway explains it all to Sarah Longwell.

0:37.4

I am not Sarah Longwell. I'm sure you figured that out. And Sarah is actually not here today. She's a busy entrepreneur and busy advocate for the causes she believes in and she has been traveling. And so today I get to ask the questions. And I get to ask the questions today of two distinguished Pulitzer Prize winning journalists,

0:58.3

Carol Lennig and Aaron Davis, who had just written this magnificent book called Injustice.

1:04.3

And it's basically, I mean, people think of it.

1:07.8

When they hear some of the stories, I think about it as how,

1:10.7

what happened with the Garland and Smith investigations into Trump between during the Biden interregnum.

1:17.6

But it really is about more than that.

1:18.9

It's really about it's the story arc of the Department of Justice since 2017 through the present.

1:26.1

And I got to say, you should buy the book.

1:29.4

I love the book.

1:30.8

I read the book.

1:31.7

It is a magnificent book.

1:33.3

And it is a good book, not just for people who weren't paying as much attention as I was to what was going on at the Justice Department over the last eight years.

1:44.4

It's actually a great book also for people who were just obsessed with it, like I was.

1:48.9

And the reason why it's good is because, look, we knew probably 90% of what's in this book as it was happening if we were paying close attention to the newspapers.

1:59.2

And that was the first draft of history.

2:00.8

But there was always the question of, why did they do this?

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