Is there anything we can't reimagine?

More than we realize our solutions to social challenges are shaped by our concepts of

good and bad and enacted along lines of power.

These simplistic conversations of good and bad, obscure, deeper conversations, who are

we really, what are we responsible for, and can we change?

Abolition as a political effort calls on us to dismantle our current prison system and

the violences that surround it.

It also necessarily calls on us to change our culture, our habits around punishment, and

the transformation of our very beings.

I was so grateful to talk with Maryam Cobb in this episode on Abolition.

She shares her insight and her wisdom on the culture Abolition inspires us to create.

Maryam Cobb is an organizer, educator, and curator.

Her work focuses on ending violence, dismantling the prison industrial complex, transformative

justice, and supporting youth leadership development.

This is a conversation I've really been excited to share with you all for months, and I hope

you enjoy it.

All right, so this is actually a conversation I've been so excited to have.

And Maryam Cobb, I just want to say thank you for being on this podcast.

Thank you for being in conversation.

This is really, I think, going to be a really important conversation for the folks listening

to this podcast today.

So thank you.

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