S2 Ep118: Trump’s Epstein Panic Is Loud and Clear

George Conway Explains It All (To Sarah Longwell)

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🗓️ 25 July 2025

⏱️ 46 minutes

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George Conway and JVL discuss the Epstein files—why Trump might be hiding them, whether Ghislaine Maxwell will be rebranded as a MAGA martyr, and how the conspiracy theorists demanding answers could turn on Trump himself. They also take on Trump’s surreal accusations against Obama, the legal chaos surrounding Columbia’s $200 million settlement, and why Alina Habba’s implosion as U.S. Attorney might signal deeper dysfunction in Trump’s Justice Department.

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0:00.0	Attorney General Bondi told Trump he was in those files. Well, what are those files? Why can't we see them?
0:05.8	And I don't think that anything that they do with Galane Maxwell is going to stop people from asking those questions.
0:14.4	Not going to stop me from asking those questions. If Trump has nothing to be afraid of, Why? Why not just release the files?
0:25.5	Hello, everyone. Welcome to George Conway. Explains it all to Sarah Longwell. He's George Conway.
0:31.1	I am not Sarah Longwell. I'm JVL, her best friend from the bulwark. George...
0:40.8	I can't explain it all. I cannot explain it all.
0:47.6	You're going to have to. I can no longer, I can't. I do not have the Epstein files. I cannot explain it all because I do not have the Epstein files. And I'm going on strike. I can't, I will
0:52.6	not explain anything until I see the
0:54.6	Epstein files. Well, okay. So there's a lot to talk about with Epstein and I guess I'd like
1:02.2	to start with Gilles, Maxwell. Am I pronouncing that correctly?
1:07.8	Laine. Gislane. Gislane.
1:15.0	Well, the Deputy Attorney General misspelled it the other day, which was a faux power.
1:16.4	Oh.
1:18.0	Well, I feel like you should get a mulligan.
1:19.3	It's a hard, you know, it's a foreign.
1:20.5	It's a foreign name.
1:31.0	So, uh, Jonathan Turley, one of the great legal minds of our time today, posited that, uh,, Ms. Maxwell could be very, very useful because she has a couple of options. She could testify about some of the very bad Democrats
1:40.8	who are on the Epstein list and provide information that the government could
1:46.9	use to prosecute, say, Bill Clinton or Barack Obama for their participation.
1:52.4	And then in exchange for that, she could get a reduced sentence.
1:56.0	And this would be very helpful to Trump.
1:59.2	Or she could just testify that Trump didn't do anything.
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