S2 Ep1152: Terrorism, ISIS, and Understanding the Israel-Hamas War: Dr. Austin Knuppe

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🗓️ 12 February 2024

⏱️ 88 minutes

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Summary

Dr. Austin Knuppe has a Ph.D. in political science from The Ohio State University and currently serves asan assistant professor of political science at Utah State University. Prior to Utah State, he was a postdoctoral fellow at the Dickey Center for International Understanding at Dartmouth College. His research interests include civilian survival during wartime, Middle East politics, and the role of religion in international politics. His first book, Surviving the Islamic State: Contention, Cooperation, and Neutrality in Wartime Iraq explores how ordinary Iraqis survived Islamic State control of their communities between 2014 and 2018.

In this conversation, we begin talking about understanding terrorism and politics in the Middle-East, the rise of ISIS in particular, U.S. intervention in Middle-Eastern affairs, and then we spend the bulk of our time understanding the history and current events surrounding the Israel-Palestine conflict, including the current war between Israel and Hamas.

Here are some links to sources mentioned during our conversation:

South Africa’s 84 page report indicting Israel of genocide:
https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2024/01/192-20231228-app-01-00-en.pdfn

Quotes from Israeli leaders that reflect genocidal rhetoric:
https://normanfinkelstein.substack.com/p/fighting-amalek-in-gaza-what-israelis

Evidence of Israel indiscriminate bombing of (and targeting) civilians and civilian structures:
https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/ And
https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6058/Euro-Med-Monitor-sends-UN-rapporteurs,-
ICC-Prosecutor-primary-report-documenting-dozens-of-field-execution-cases-in-Gaza

Evidence that the IDF killed (and was directed to kill) at least some Israelis:
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israeli-hq-ordered-troops-shoot-israeli-
captives-7-october And https://electronicintifada.net/content/evidence-israel-killed-its-own-
citizens-7-october/41156

Evidence that the Netanyahu and his administration supported or helped create, on some level,
Hamas:
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/ And
https://www.upi.com/Archives/2001/02/24/Israel-gave-major-to-aid-to-
Hamas/6023982990800/ And https://original.antiwar.com/scott/2023/10/27/netanyahus-
support-for-hamas-backfired-2/

Some books mentioned at the end of the podcast:

Khalidi, The 100 Years War on Palestine
https://www.amazon.com/Hundred-Years-War-
Palestine-Colonialism/dp/1250787653

Pappe, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine
https://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-
Ilan-Pappe/dp/1851685553

Morris, Righteous Victims
https://www.amazon.com/Righteous-Victims-Zionist-Arab-Conflict-
1881-2001/dp/0679744754/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2LLCMUSIM520Y&keywords=benny+morris&qid=17067
40859&s=books&sprefix=benny+morri%2Cstripbooks%2C182&sr=1-2

See also the 6-part (30 hour) series “Fear and Loathing” and “War all the time” at the martyrmade podcast with Darryl Cooper.

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0:00.0	Hey friends welcome back to another episode of theology and around my guest today is Dr. Austin Nuppy who is a an assistant professor of political science at Utah State University.
0:10.0	He has a PhD in political science from the Ohio State University and was a post-doctoral fellow at Dartmouth College.
0:19.6	He is an expert in the intersection of politics and religion and even terrorist groups in the Middle East.
0:27.0	We begin talking generally about his doctoral research which was related to ISIS and al-Qaeda and then we move into an
0:35.3	extended conversation about the war between Israel and Hamas and I was excited to have Austin on because he originally reached out to me after hearing some of my
0:48.7	podcasts on Israel Palestine and said, hey, you know, this is an area of my scholarly research he's been studying stuff for
0:55.2	for many many years and he says if you want to have a private conversation would love to have that with you
1:01.0	if you want you know this is kind of my area and whether to talk through it with you. If you want, you know, this is kind of my area and I'll talk through it with you.
1:05.2	And I said, well, let's skip the private conversation.
1:07.2	Let's just have a public one.
1:08.2	So I didn't really know where Austin was really coming from.
1:11.9	All I know is he is well studied in this area, something
1:15.3	that I've been very interested in recently, so I just wanted to have another voice on who is
1:20.4	an actual scholar in this area to discuss things with.
1:23.6	So I'll leave it at that.
1:25.4	It was a, I love this conversation.
1:27.1	I learned so much and I think you will too.
1:28.9	So please welcome the show for the first time,
1:30.5	the one and only, Austin.
1:31.6	Nuppie. the one and only here with Austin.
1:42.9	Austin, thanks so much for being on Theology and Ara.
1:45.2	This is, I've been looking forward this conversation for a long time.
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