S2 Ep1087: Non-Toxic Masculinity and Responding to Purity Culture: Zach Wagner

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🗓️ 22 June 2023

⏱️ 80 minutes

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Zach Wagner is a writer, researcher, ordained minister, and is currently pursuing a DPhil (PhD) in New Testament studies at the University of Oxford. He also serves as the editorial director of the Center for Pastor Theologians, where he co-hosts the CPT Podcast. His first book, Non-Toxic Masculinity: Recovering Healthy Male Sexuality, was published in 2023 with Intervarsity Press and is the topic of our conversation. In this episode, we talk about the pros and (mostly) cons of purity culture, explicit and implicit messaging from that movement, the damage its done, and what healthy male sexuality looks like.

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0:00.0	Hey, friends. Welcome back to another episode of theology in the raw. My guest today is the one
0:04.0	and only Zach Wagner. Zach is pursuing a doctorate in philosophy from Oxford University. He's
0:10.3	a ordained minister, writer, researcher, and the editorial director for the Center for Pastor
0:15.1	Theologians and Organization, which is off the chart. Awesome. He's also the author of a quite
0:20.5	provocative and very, very good book, non-toxic masculinity, recovering healthy male sexuality.
0:27.6	I had the opportunity to grab a lunch with Zach while I was in Cambridge, England last month.
0:33.3	He drove out from Oxford. We hung out for, gosh, Zach, what was it? Like three, four hours or
0:37.3	something. Got to know each other. Just an awesome individual and he gave me a copy of his book.
0:42.0	I read it on the airplane ride back home and just absolutely loved it. Definitely is thought
0:47.2	provoking and is going to stir up some really good conversations. One of which is the one you're
0:52.0	about to listen to. So please welcome to the show for the first time, hopefully not the last time.
0:55.9	Be Waterilfen. Zach Wagner, author of non-toxic masculinity, recovering healthy male sexuality.
1:13.8	Even the title is provocative. Which I'm going to ask you to define toxic masculinity,
1:22.4	define purity culture. But I'll just say this up front, man. You graciously gave me a free copy
1:28.0	when we hung out in the UK and I read it with the next couple days. Most of it, I got about 80%
1:33.2	the way through it and it is so good. It was, I mean, not everybody has the advantage of talking
1:37.6	to the author first and then reading the book. So I was like, I already going into it. I'm like,
1:41.3	I think I'm going to love this book and it really not only did I like it as if my opinion matters,
1:45.8	I thought I think it's going to be incredibly helpful for the church, incredibly helpful.
1:50.4	So thank you for that. Why don't you give us a background into why you decided halfway
1:55.6	through your PhD in New Testament, which maybe I'll have you back on to talk about that. Halfway
2:00.7	through your PhD, you decide to write a pretty, you know, step into pretty volatile conversation.
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