Hello, friends. Welcome back to another episode of theology in the ROM. I guess today is Dr. Nile

Sayah. Nile is an associate professor of public policy and global affairs at Nanyang,

a technological university in Singapore. He holds research interests in religion and global politics,

international security, and American foreign policy. He's the author of two books,

a weapon of peace, how religious liberty combats terrorism. And his most recent book, the one we

talk about on this episode is his recent book, The Global Politics of Jesus, a Christian case

for church state separation by Oxford University Press. It is an outstanding book. I just recently read

it and said, man, this is such a well-crafted, well-researched, well-written book. I was like, man,

I would love to have Nile on the podcast. Now he lives on the other side of the world from where I'm

in. So we had to arrange eight times. So it's very early my time. It's pretty late his time. So

I was very excited that Nile agreed to make time for this conversation, which I know you are going

to, well, you'll like most of it. Some of it's pretty challenging. We got off on a bunch of

controversial topics, which is exciting and very theology in the raw-esque. So please welcome to the

show for the first time. Do you want it on the knee? Lay? Saya.

Your book, The Global Politics of Jesus, a Christian case for church state separation. I came

across this book on a whim. I think it was just looking at Amazon, looking for another book,

and this one popped up, and the title intrigued me. I started courting the book, you know,

looking at who's endorsing it, who's publishing it, and like, oh, Oxford University depressed. That's

what's guaranteed to at least be a well-written, engaging book. And then I ordered it,

sat my desk for like a month, because I was reading all this other stuff. Like, I need to see

what this one's all about. And I could not put it down. It was, it is such a, while I was saying,

like, it put language to so much of what I was feeling and thinking as a biblical guy, you know,

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