Hey, friends. Welcome back to another episode of Theology in the ROM. My guest today is Drew Harper.

Drew is the co-author of the book Space at the Table. Conversations between an evangelical

theologian and his gay son. His dad, Brad Harper, is the evangelical theologian who is the other

co-author of the book. And Drew is his gay son. So it's a fascinating book, very beautifully written.

If you've not read this book and especially if you're interested in the LGBTQ conversation,

I would highly recommend Space at the Table. Drew, I met Drew a few years ago and just,

yeah, we just really hit it off. I remember he came over to my house. We had talked on the phone

and then he came over to my house and we're just instantly like jumping on the trampoline with

my kids and was just diving into deep conversations as you'll see. Drew is a extremely intelligent,

creative, colorful, authentic individual. He is literally one of the most favorite human beings

that I love being around. So now if you need a neat and tidy podcast conversation,

this is not that conversation. So I encourage you to change a channel if you're

uncomfortable with perspectives and maybe even language that goes outside the box of how

evangelicals should think and or talk. This is going to be a very raw conversation. So I think

most of you at least will enjoy it. Some of you might not be your cup of tea, but I am so excited

for you to get to know the one and only Drew Harper.

Drew Harper. Good to see you, man. Good to see you too.

Man, thanks so much. I've been wanting to have you on this podcast for many years now. So this

is a long time coming. So thank you so much for sparing your time. Are you at a coffee shop?

Where are you by the way? I am at a coffee shop. It's a San Francisco chain

that has just recently opened here in West Hollywood and it's very hot, bougie kind of like,

it feels like San Francisco is big and full of light. There's lots of like, you know,

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