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The Bulwark Podcast

S2 Ep1054: Adam Serwer, Lauren Egan, and Justin Jones: The Attack on Knowledge

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 30 May 2025

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

The Trump administration is trying to exert ideological control over every knowledge-producing institution in the country. And the assault on colleges is not only about having fewer highly-educated voters, but also depriving Americans of trusted sources of information—much in the way Trump in 2020 wanted to stop counting Covid cases so it looked like he had the pandemic under control. Meanwhile, we're getting too much information about Elon's bladder control problems on his way out the door. Plus, The Bulwark's Lauren Egan and Tennessee's Justin Jones on courage, conscience, fighting a party drunk with power, and the future of the South.

The Atlantic's Adam Serwer joins Tim Miller for the weekend pod, with a side serving from our live Nashville show.

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Bullard podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Just a little note on the scheduling for today. I wanted to do a traditional podcast guest for you all, so you didn't

0:22.7

have live shows back to back. And so I'm excited to have Adam Surr, we're coming up here in a second.

0:27.7

But last night in Nashville, we were having a blast. And my colleague here at the Bullwark,

0:33.1

Lauren Egan, who's doing a newsletter on what is happening with the Democrats. You all should sign up for

0:39.1

at the Borg.com interviewed Justin Jones as part of the show. If you don't know Justin Jones,

0:44.4

he's in the legislature here in Tennessee. He was one of the Tennessee three that the Republicans

0:49.3

tried to boot out. Man, that guy, if you went down a list of issues, me and him are going to have some

0:56.1

disagreements for sure. He is definitely more progressive than I am. But I was just kind of

1:02.2

blown away by his authenticity, his passion, his energy, his charisma, just like I crossed the

1:10.3

board. The dude is the real deal, you know,

1:13.6

and we're looking for people in this moment who can speak to the challenges that we have with

1:20.0

passion. And I thought that he really knocked it out of the park. And so we weren't planning on

1:25.3

doing this, but I want to have his segment, uh, from the

1:28.6

live show last night. We're going to do that as kind of a B block of this show, uh, if you guys

1:33.0

want to stick around for that. Um, but I want to all, like I said, I want to give you a kind of

1:38.2

more traditional podcast experience. Just as a pod consumer myself, sometimes the live show isn't as great in audio because, you know, I'm hamming it up for the room.

1:47.6

And you got to wait for the applause and all that.

1:50.8

And I don't know, some of you guys listen to me when you're going to sleep at night, I've heard.

1:53.7

And so that's not great when you have random people shouting and throwing their bras on stage.

1:58.3

So it was a great night in Nashville.

2:00.2

I was happy to see everybody.

2:01.8

For those that want to stick around,

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