Hello and welcome to the Bullard podcast. I'm your host Tim Miller. Delighted to have back,

staff writer at The New Yorker, which is a weekly column on life in Washington.

She's the co-author of The Divider, Trump and the White House, which she co-wrote with her husband,

Peter Baker, former Moscow bureau chief for the Washington Post. It's Susan Glasser. What's up,

Susan? Hey, Tim. Great to be with you. Much to discuss. You're back from Estonia, I understand.

That is right. You know, got to go to Tallinn. It's an awesome place. Seriously, I'm actually like a huge Estonia super fan.

Jeb was a huge Estonia super fan. And Tallinn's been on my list. I don't think it's going to happen for me on my vacation this summer, but, you know, hopefully next time you're invited to a panel.

Maybe you can nominate me as a co-panelists.

I understand you're with the presidents of Estonia, Slovenia, and Finland.

Yeah, it was. What was the buzz there?

Which one of those presidents do you like the most?

Well, it was a kind of an intimidating group, I have to say, it was the closing

panel. And I guess they decided this was the best they could do for American representation.

Okay. But, you know, it's very interesting because Alex Stubb is the president of Finland. And

you may not know this. I forgive you, you know, European President trivia, but he was a star

golf player back in the day. And so his fellow Europeans, he's also a super brilliant, actually

academic turned politician. So his fellow Europeans thought it would be a really good idea to make

him their designated Trump whisperer. And they sent him to Mar-a-Lago to play golf with the president.

He spent seven hours doing that.

And he has become a big proponent of the engaged Trump, wherever possible, school of

European diplomacy.

So it was very interesting to hear what he had to say. And I think the basic point is they

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