Hello and welcome to the Bullard podcast.

I'm your host, Tim Miller.

We're doing something different today.

We got three guests, a triple rainbow of guests on the podcast.

And remember, it's Wednesday.

So you can check out me and JVL and Sam Stein and for Sarah Longwell on the next level where we go along on all of the politics and news of the day.

But first up, it's our friend Michael Weiss, editor of the insider, a Russia-focused media outlet, contributing editor to New Lyons Magazine, formerly an investigative reporter for

CNN, our unofficial crazy foreign policy correspondent. And we wanted to bring him in immediately

because we've now officially seen the text. Michael Weiss, are these war plans? The White House is

saying this is a hoax. These are not war plans. What do you make of it?

I mean, you've got the timings of the strikes. You've got the platforms being used.

There's no way that this was unclassified date. Right. I'm talking to former CIA officers, including a former CIA lawyer who says, this is all top secret.

I mean, even more critical than the attack plans themselves is the policy discussion, right?

Like, if you're a foreign adversary, you absolutely want to know what the back and forth is amongst Trump's national security team.

So the fact that J.D. Vance is a little squeamish about attacking the Houthis,

because that that gives a freebie to the Europeans, those free-loading welfare queen Europeans that he's always on about.

That's useful information.

Mark Polymeropolis said to me, if you're a CIA case officer and you obtain this data on an

enemy of the United States, you get a medal, right? That's how valuable this stuff is. It certainly

looks to me, and again, I've just done some very quick reporting on this, thanks to the Atlantic's

disclosure. It certainly looks to me like some people went ahead and perjured

themselves at Congress yesterday by saying this was all unclassified. Now, it may be the case that

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