Welcome to this bonus episode of Killing Dad, Season 2, The Miscreants. I'm Melissa McCarty. We hope you

enjoyed the eight-part series of a case that is crazier than fiction, a story in the shadows until now.

Now, I have a special guest joining me today. I'm really excited about his story's remarkable.

You don't want to miss this one. With older cases such as this,

it can be pretty difficult to track down some of the key players who actually live through it.

But with the help of some friends at the LAPD, I've found our guest. His name is Mike Orb.

He's currently a deputy chief. Excuse me. He's currently a deputy chief with the LAPD. Thank you so much,

Mike, for joining me. Good morning. Really happy to have this conversation. Now, Kelly McClure,

my partner in crime here, she wishes she could be a part of this special episode, but she's also

running crime con. And this year, there's about 7,000 episode, but she's also running CrimeCon.

And this year, there's about 7,000 attendees.

So she's tied up with the CrimeCon event.

But I have you all to myself, and I want to start off by setting up where Mike Orb comes into play.

Now, I want all of you, since you just finished the series, or you're binging it

now, think back to when Alvaro and Duck were on the freeway trying to evade officers in

pursuit after they robbed a newspaper delivery guy up north for cash and his truck. They were

being tailed by multiple patrol cars when a gas tanker truck was passing by,

and they recalled a scene from their favorite movie The Terminator. They mimic it by shooting up

the tanker truck, hoping it would explode and take out all tailing cop cars, but of course,

it's just a movie. It's not real life. It doesn't go down like

that. Here, during this time, here enters Mike Orp. Mike, tell us what your title was back in 1994

when you were working with the LAPD and this call came in. So during that time, I was a police

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