So you've got this guy who's been pro se all this time, most likely had horrible representation

at trial and on appeal, and now he only has us.

He's got one of the biggest firms in the state behind him.

So I mean, for him, it's like, wow, okay, I finally have the support I want, I finally

have somebody listening to me after all this time.

So they get this whole big representation group

team behind them and it really does kind of give them a sense of, okay, maybe we'll get through

this and maybe this will be okay. I am so excited to bring you this episode from the 10th floor

of a tall hotel in downtown Philadelphia.

If you can hear some background noise, that's the wind blowing in my window.

Chicago, I believe you have some competition for the title, Windy City.

Before I get started with the episode, some major thank yous are in order.

First, to the Pennsylvania Innocence Project for being amazing and accommodating and for all of their hard work.

Also, to TJ from Pines and Puzzles podcast, for helping me by giving me some hotel points, making this trip even possible.

Also, to Dina from Twisted Philly podcast for taking me to dinner

and giving me my first taste, literally, a Philly, and making me feel comfortable here.

I also wanted to give a shout out to the Hilton Garden Inn City Center in Philadelphia.

If you're ever in the area, I strongly recommend this place. They were so polite, attentive, and just fantastic.

As promised, this episode is the start of the new format, in which we talk about an innocent network agency,

and then after that, share the stories of exoneries from that agency. I'm going to begin to

tell you about the amazingness

that is the Pennsylvania Innocence Project,

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