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From BBC Radio 4, this is Things Fell Apart, season 2.

In the weeks before George Floyd's murder, just days into lockdown, a culture war was starting to simmer about the pandemic itself, whether COVID was a deadly threat or a plot by governments to control us and our bodies.

This story is about a moment that suddenly took this debate to tens of millions of people.

I think it was in early May 2020 and the colleagues sent me a link to this video and I remember thinking oh no why is she getting involved in this you have to assume

that some people died as a result of it.

But the story begins with a chance encounter between a bartender and a customer at a yacht club in

Ventura, California in 2006. The bartender's name was Judy Mycovitz. She'd worked for over

20 years as a staff scientist at the National Cancer Institute in Maryland,

where she earned a PhD in biochemistry and molecular biology.

Although Judy wasn't widely known in the scientific community, she had authored 40 papers.

But when she met her husband to be David, she gave it all up and moved to California.

So you moved for love? Yes, so I moved for love.

My David was a big teddy bear.

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