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Hello and welcome to NewsRoyce.

My name is Jolly and Rubinstein.

And my name is Hayden Proud. And as you well know by now, we are the guys that give you three courses of metaphorical conversation. Three courses of metaphorical conversation. Getting straight to it this week, we have a very good friend of ours and an incredibly impressive journalist, author now uh, hacker, can I call you a hacker as well?

Um, cultural hacker.

Um, cultural hacker. James Bull, welcome to Newsrose.

The absolute legend that is. This is a man who, uh, worked at WikiLeaks for a while, didn't

like the cut of Assange's jib, got out, was instrumental in breaking the Snowden story. I mean,

seriously, one of the most intelligent people we know, and younger than us, which we find deeply,

deeply frustrating. I mean, I'm working on getting older. I'll try harder. I mean, you try,

but you've got a baby face. You got such a calm and lovely demeanor. It's depressing,

isn't it, Hayden? It is depressing. I mean, he's got any wrinkles on his face. He's also written books, which I

haven't done, and I'm no longer of the age where it's de facto impressive to have written a book.

I mean, when I was 26, I was like, if I write a book right now, I've basically always wanted to be a struggling down and out novelist in Paris.

I've been writing a book for about 12 years. See, that's the best way to be doing it. Not

a day's finishing it. Jay, you may have written one book. I've almost written three. Okay.

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