This is a global player original podcast. People always say, Kelly, you've been so lucky. I went,

what, do you think nothing bad has happened to me? I fail all the time, but it doesn't matter.

The fault is when you sit there going, why, when, how, what.

Welcome to Big Fish with me, Spencer Matthews.

Each week I speak to inspirational people about what it takes to become the best at what they

do.

Kelly Hoppin is one of the most sought-after interior designers of her generation.

After quitting school at just 16, she took on her first client and built her design empire

from there.

She's gone on to design the homes of A-lister such as the Beckham's, as well as yachts, five-star

hotels and restaurants all over the world.

In this incredible conversation, we talk about her successes and failures as an investor

on Dragon's Den, how she worked with A-List clients,

and what happened when she met the leader of a religious cult that her ex-husband became a

member of? I mean, talk about a conversation that I was not expecting to have.

Kelly, thanks so much for joining me. It's a pleasure. Thank you for having me at Big Fish.

Indeed, big fish. You were saying it's sometimes better to be a small fish in a big pond.

Sometimes, like when young people, when I'm mentoring them and they sort of go,

where they want to get to the top quickly, I said everything should be organic.

My business from 16 and a half was organic growth.

And sometimes it's better to be really good at

what you are as a small fish in a big pond than the other way around at the beginning so when I saw

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