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The Surprising Rebirth Of Belief In God

S2 E09. Surprising Conversations: Jonathan Pageau

The Surprising Rebirth Of Belief In God

Justin Brierley

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.8592 Ratings

🗓️ 6 May 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Orthodox thinker and icon carver Jonathan Pageau joins Justin to talk about why the God conversation has been intensifying in recent years. Along with Belle Tindall, they also cover atheism, the resurrection, the Bible and why symbolic patterns underlie our experience of the world. Pageau also gives the backstory to his friendship with Jordan Peterson who has been increasingly challenged to clarify his views on God, Jesus and the resurrection in the past year by atheists such as Richard Dawkins and Alex O'Connor. More info, book & newsletter: https://justinbrierley.com/surprisingrebirth/ Support via Patreon for early access to new episodes and bonus content: https://www.patreon.com/justinbrierley/membership Support via Tax-deductible (USA) and get the same perks: https://defendersmedia.com/portfolio/justin-brierley/ Give a one-off gift via PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/brierleyjustin Buy the book or get a signed copy: https://justinbrierley.com/the-surprising-rebirth-of-belief-in-god/ Got feedback? Share it with us by emailing: feedback@think.faith Ep 9 show notes: https://justinbrierley.com/surprisingrebirth/season-2-episode-9-surprising-conversations-jonathan-pageau Also, check out our show ‘Uncommon Ground’ for discussion and debates: ⁠https://justinbrierley.com/uncommon-ground-podcast/⁠ The Surprising Rebirth of Belief in God is a production of Think Faith in partnership with Genexis, and support from The Jerusalem Trust. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:22.5

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0:28.5

you'll get full access to all keynote sessions, panels and interviews with guests, including

0:33.6

John Lennox, Paul Kingsnorth, Elizabeth Oldfield and Al Gordon. You can take part in the

0:38.9

Q&A. You'll get to take home recordings of all of the sessions and get a front row seat to what God is doing.

0:45.7

A rebirth is happening. Let's respond together wherever we are. Book your live stream pass at

0:52.0

rebirthconference.net.

0:57.4

I told him, I looked him in the eyes, I said,

0:59.3

Jordan, you're going to bring back Christianity.

1:01.0

And he answered, well, I hope that I can help people understand

1:04.3

the psychological significance of the Bible story.

1:07.2

It's very strange in some sense that there's so many of you here to listen to a sequence of lectures on the psychological significance of the biblical stories.

1:17.4

And in my mind at that moment, I thought, all right, we've got two courses. Let's see which one plays out.

1:22.7

Sometimes the objective world and the narrative world touch and the ultimate example of that in principle

1:32.5

is supposed to be Christ.

1:34.4

What is stopping you from embracing the fate of your wife?

1:40.6

Everybody's got their own destiny.

1:47.8

Is it symbolism all the way down or does it have a kind of material historical bedrock? Our world has been transformed by Christ completely utterly. We live in

1:54.1

that world. We live in that story. If we deny the event of the incarnation, then we are undermining

2:00.3

everything that we care about.

2:01.9

If I went back in time with a Panasonic video camera, would the little LCD screen

2:09.1

show a man walk out of that tomb?

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