Okay, so before we get in and get going, let me just remind our audience that as we try and spread the word about what we're trying to do here and help as many people as possible.

We'd love it if you did those things like download it if you're on apple podcast and leave reviews and

stars and so on or for youtube uh rate it and subscribe and like it and leave comments and for other

platforms it's whatever they allow you to do there where you you do likes you do shares uh you comment

and so on and that just helps get

the word out to more people. And we're doing this to help as many people as possible. And we could

use your help. So thank you for that. Hello and welcome to the scriptures are real podcast.

This is the podcast where we talk about elements of the scriptures that have made them become more

real to us because we believe that helps us apply them to our lives and we need all the help we can get. I'm your host,

Kerry Milstein, and I have returning with me, one of my favorite people in the world, Phil

Alred, Dr. Phil Alred, who has been a guest before, one of our earliest guests on this

podcast starting back with the story of Abraham and

he's been on with us a number of times. We've been in Jerusalem together. He is typically

teaching at BYU, Idaho, but doing a short stint at BYU and Provo. And I'm so happy about that

because he's moved in very close to me and it it makes my wife and I happy. So anyway, welcome, Phil. What else should we know about you? Oh, my word. That's awesome. That's great. Well, and our offices are going to be right next to each other too. I saw that yesterday. It's not in the neighborhood. It's awesome. You're going to be so sick of me, carry. I don't know. In fact, you left your door open and I stopped by several times.

I didn't know.

In fact, you left your door open and I stopped by several times. I didn't see you there, but I was really tempted to go in and just like turn everything around backwards just to say that I'd been there. But I was in so much of a hurry. I couldn't do it. Had some meetings yesterday, so I was in and out. but yeah, that's great.

Sorry, I missed you.

We'll have plenty of chances.

Well, Had some meetings yesterday, so I was in and out. But yeah, that's great. Sorry, I missed you.

We'll have plenty of chances.

Well, I guess we should say you studied at Notre Dame. So I think we talked about that before, but I'll just remind people of that and so on. Anyway, what were you going to say? I was going to say in some ways that's relevant too because I had the privilege of taking a course on the book of hebrews as part of my graduate studies with dr harold atridge uh who wrote the hermonea volume um uh

...