In 2016, I went to a Facebook event F8, which is their big developer conference in San Francisco.

We stand for connecting every person, for a global community, for bringing people together,

for giving all people a voice, for a free flow of ideas and culture across nations.

I saw Mark Zuckerberg sort of make the case for his view of how Facebook was making the world a better place.

And he was just generally really into the idea that connecting people together would fix really deep-seated problems in the world.

It was all incredibly utopian.

Connectivity will give everyone access to all of the opportunities of the internet.

And he was talking about his great plans and how they were going to expand connectivity and

connect more people and more communities and how bad it was that some people, guess who,

wanted to build walls when in fact we should we should be building bridges, and it was all

really laid on with a trowel. We can actually give more people a voice, and instead of dividing

people, we can help bring people together. We do it one connection at a time, one innovation at a time. When I listen to Mark Zuckerberg here, he sounds really

naive to me because I look at my Facebook page and it's just pictures of people's babies

and people winching about politics. And the idea that somehow like a screen full of people

showing pictures of their babies and are winging about politics is going to

solve humanity's problems. And the idea that like an engineering solution is somehow going to

create emotional regulation among people, I don't understand that. I mean, it just seems

crazy and completely goo-go-eyed to even think that. Yeah, I know what you mean. It's the engineering

fallacy, I think, that kind of connecting people up will resolve these conflicts because their conflicts must stem from the fact that they're not connected enough. Have there been previous times in history where we thought that somehow technology was going to end war and create peace? I mean, I think of technology is being so wrapped up with war. I think of like improvements in artillery, you know, as being technological advances to create more killing.

Are there examples of us thinking that technology is going to end conflict? Oh, absolutely. For

example, when airplanes first showed up, people said that would lead to world peace because

we'd all fly to different countries and see that we were all just the same and then there'd be

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