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John Kiriakou's Dead Drop

S1E8 The James Bond Academy

John Kiriakou's Dead Drop

Costard & Touchstone Productions

Travel, Personal Journals, Torture, Secret Agents, History, Spies, Documentary, Spying, Secrets, Cia, Espionage, Heroism, Society & Culture

4.91.5K Ratings

🗓️ 29 December 2025

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

THE BLURB: When John turned his back on being a deskbound analyst in favor of risking his neck out in the field, he knew he'd made the right decision. Blowing things up - including cars - and playing spy games made him incredibly happy. Who wouldn't be happy? In this episode, John takes you way behind the scenes at the CIA's "James Bond Academy" - an actual place (just not with that name) where the CIA trains its agents how to be the best spies they can be.



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0:00.0

This podcast, it's a Costerton Touchstone production.

0:10.8

Welcome to Dead Drop, What Makes a Spy Tick. I'm John Kiriaku.

0:15.7

In this episode, I'm going to revisit my visit to the James Bond Academy,

0:20.3

my four months or so of intensive

0:22.2

counterterrorism training. But before class begins, I want to thank you, as always, for listening.

0:28.0

It means a lot. And if you could be just so kind as to like, review, comment, or share the podcast

0:35.2

on whatever platform you listen to, I would appreciate it greatly.

0:38.8

I told you in an earlier episode how I knew when I was nine years old that I wanted to be a

0:43.8

spy. When I was nine, spies were very hip and cool. They went great places. They did exciting

0:50.9

things. They had these bitch and gadgets to play with. Who wouldn't want to be a part of that?

0:56.2

If you had told me when I was nine years old that I would actually be a spy, I would get to go to great places, I would do exciting things and play with bitch and gadgets, I think my head would have exploded.

1:08.3

It's probably better that I found out by living it instead.

1:12.0

And my CIA career did zig and zag in very unusual ways that put me in the right place

1:18.5

at exactly the right time. My boss actually tried rather hard to dissuade me.

1:25.4

Analysts and field agents tend to be different animals with different

1:29.2

skill sets, different personalities. But when I turned away from sitting at a desk for the rest of my

1:34.9

career, I knew that I had done the right thing. Counterterrorism training is damned hard.

1:41.3

That's because the thing they're training you for is damned hard. And training people

1:45.7

how to do it and how to do it right takes time. If you're a brand new hire in the CIA, it's 18

1:53.3

months. I was mid-career, so I didn't need all the CIA 101 things. And so my training was about

2:00.4

four months or four and a half months. It was

2:03.2

very, very intensive. After the introductory surveillance and surveillance detection, which they

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