Hello, I'm Jason Concepcion, and this is Foundation, the official podcast from Apple TV Plus.

I'm here again with David Eskoyer, showrunner and executive producer, and we also have today

consulting producer and writer Liz Pong in the studio.

Today we're talking about episode 8, The Missing Piece.

Once again, you know the drill, please spoilers for the episode.

If you have not watched episode 8, go do that.

Come back, we will be here, waiting for you.

Quick recap for this episode. It's a race against time on the Invictus.

Day walks the spiral and later tells the zephyrs of his powerful vision of a three-pedal flower.

Gail takes desperate measures to escape the raven and hollow hairy.

And it's an episode about pilgrimages, journeys, and confrontations.

Liz, you're joining us for the first time.

We heard David tell us previously about how he assembled this writer's room with people who have, you know,

specific superpowers, so to speak, in terms of their writing styles and talents.

What was your superpower and what was your relationship to foundation and sci-fi?

I would say I'm not the hardest core sci-fi person, but it's funny.

I started out in like more relationshipy real life stuff and then really found my place in kind of horror genre sci-fi writing

because I just love like the engine that scenarios can give you for character work.

And so that's like, I think I kind of like came on late in this process relatively to some of the other writers

was in sort of like the revising process a lot and kind of took on this maiden day story as a little bit of my baby in this season.

The writer's room for season one was a very long process and so there was like a writer's room, one A,

and then like a writer's room, one B. And Liz, just like Jane Espenson,

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