S1E4 Good Spies, Bad Endings
John Kiriakou's Dead Drop
Costard & Touchstone Productions
4.9 • 1.5K Ratings
🗓️ 17 November 2025
⏱️ 43 minutes
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Summary
THE BLURB: Among the things that make spies tick is fear. Fear of being caught - and then tortured and/or killed. Stories like Beirut Station Chief Bill Buckley's are what keep spies like John Kiriakou up at night. Buckley came to the CIA from the US Army where he was a highly decorated special forces officer. Once recruited by the CIA, Buckley served successfully in places like Cambodia, Egypt and Pakistan. Beirut was another story - a difficult one filled with questions.
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | This podcast, it's a Costerton Touchstone production. |
| 0:04.0 | Welcome to Dead Drop, What Makes a Spy Tick. |
| 0:13.0 | I'm John Kiriaku. |
| 0:15.0 | Before we get down to it, I want to ask a small favor. |
| 0:18.0 | That is, if you're enjoying the podcast. If that's the case, |
| 0:22.1 | we would really appreciate it if you'd share that fact, with people you know, but also with |
| 0:27.2 | the platform on which you listen to Dead Drop. When you like, subscribe to, review, positively, |
| 0:33.4 | of course, and or comment on the podcast, it helps more people find it. |
| 0:38.1 | Your recommendation really does matter. |
| 0:40.2 | It's a little like having your work show up in the president's daily brief. |
| 0:44.2 | One of our goals with Dead Drop is to give you the deepest possible perspective on the world of |
| 0:49.3 | spying and what makes any spy tick. |
| 0:52.3 | It's like living life with an additional layer to it, a layer only you |
| 0:56.8 | and a handful of other people know about. Understandably, therefore, a significant influencer |
| 1:02.5 | of any spy is other spies, and what happened to them as a result of their spying? The perils are |
| 1:10.0 | always part of a spy's internal calculus. |
| 1:12.6 | That is, the perils we know about and the perils we don't. Those are the ones that will invariably bite you. |
| 1:19.6 | In this episode, we're going to take a momentary break from what makes this spy tick to explore a spy whose story always spoke to me personally. William |
| 1:30.2 | Francis Buckley's story always, well, it fairly shouted at me. Bill Buckley, you see, was a very |
| 1:36.6 | good spy who came to a terrible ending, and it didn't have to be. For a spy, Bill's story |
| 1:42.8 | is a valuable object lesson. Knowing his story and his |
| 1:46.4 | fate were essential elements of how I understood my working environment. I knew Bill's story. |
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