All right, Gary, this is a good one today. This has been a very fun rabbit hole to go down the last few days, I must say.

Yeah, and it's extensive, isn't it? Because he's, you know, the music that this band and Mike have made has been so diverse.

Including one of the first riffs I ever learned on the guitar.

So, what song?

Squank.

Very very simple.

It's just D minor 9. D minus seven to minor nine.

It starts in a bit like a like a white snake record that. I mean I think they were sort of

of meaty rocky grove there's a big fat you know that'll be my mooge torus based on it they were

inventing the 80s like in in the late 70s really weren't they?

Yeah I guess it's one way of but it's but it's, but it's, it's, because there's no routes to this thing,

you know, there's no obvious blues, there's no obvious path to where they...

I'm fascinated by the, by that psychedelic 60s early 70s pastoral folk where did all that come from that

tell in that Victoria Anna but listen I Mike and and we us three have something in common other than being looked after by the great Tony Smith or sourceful of secrets who manages sourceful of secrets and Genesis. We also have something else in common. What do you think it might be?

Skiing.

I have actually been skiing with Mike so. All three of us have played with Nick Mason. Oh, there you go.

Because Mike played at the played wish you were here at the closing ceremony of the Olympics.

2012 Olympics.

Yeah, very good one.

He's actually, my Mrs is actually related to Mike Rutherford.

Oh, in what capacity?

I think it's they have the same great-grandmother or something.

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