The Eagle and Child, Episode 33.

Mere Christianity, Book 4, Chapter 5, The obstinate toy soldiers.

Hello, and welcome to the Eagle and Child, the hallow pub of the Inklings.

This is a podcast where each week,

my friend Matt and I share a beer and discuss the writings of the author known to the world

as Clive Staples Lewis, or C.S. Lewis, or just as Jack to his friends. My name is David,

and today's chapter is probably my favorite chapter title in this book, The Obstinate Soldiers.

And today I'm joined by the Sergeant Major, Matt.

If you're calling me a Sergeant Major, which is a very high ranking in the Marines,

does that mean you think I'm doing quite well with the natural life?

Uh, sure. Yeah, that's why.

It's definitely not because the Sergeant Major is usually a comic figure in most movies.

The irony of this, is this makes sense that I would never get that because I don't ever see movies.

Well, see, it's funny you actually say that, because I had a message just before we started recording from Giovanna, the lady who sent us that email.

And she just sent me a message saying, why has Matt seen no movies?

Did she really?

Mm-hmm.

I explained it was just one of your many moral failings.

Do you want, like like the true answer?

Really, it's because growing up I was an incredible nerd.

And even to this day, I feel guilty when I watch TV because I feel like I'm wasting time.

I feel like I could be reading a book.

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