Well here we are again Gary.

Yes, still in lockdown here but enjoying the fact that I get to see you on this screen every week.

Yeah, it's like visiting time isn't it in prison.

Anyway. It's like visiting time, isn't it? In prison.

I know.

Anyway, today's, I'm a bit wary that I might end up sort of like

fitting in on some of the anecdotes here too much guy.

I don't want to boss it too much guy. Well yes, no you are very much part of this.

Although this is a man whose story I've known right since right at the very beginning.

For some reason, even though he was in a teeny bopper band,

they were on my radar,

because there was always something indefinable

about this guy that I found interesting.

And he's been in so many bands, isn't he?

And not only has he had hits with various bands.

I mean it's fantastic it's just someone who's kind of always there you know he's

managed to always a real right place right time sort of guy not to dismiss his

you know no but I mean you know number ones with it with one

band and a brilliant number two with with another band number one as a solo

artist and also went on to create a number one that is probably one of the most famous

records ever made and I think the second biggest selling single of all time. God, we're in his shadow. Should we get him on? Do we want to do we

want to talk to him? No, not really anymore. No. Come at then, welcome to the

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