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EPIDEMIC with Dr. Celine Gounder

S1E27 / Convalescent Plasma / Arturo Casadevall & Michael Busch

EPIDEMIC with Dr. Celine Gounder

KFF Health News and Just Human Productions

Science, #Coronavirus, Health & Fitness, #Smallpox, Documentary, #Covid19, #Sarscov2, #Eradication, Life Sciences, Society & Culture, #Covid, Medicine

4.61K Ratings

🗓️ 9 June 2020

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

“With penicillin, for example, you needed a few days to begin to get better. With antibodies, these people got better within hours, almost as if the antibody was mediating an antitoxin effect.” - Arturo Casadevall In today’s episode, our host Dr. Celine Gounder speaks with Arturo Casadevall, Chair of the Department of Molecular Microbiology and Immunology at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, about convalescent plasma, the transfer of antibodies from a disease survivor to a disease patient. They discuss the history of convalescent plasma transfer, how it has been used in the past during other infectious disease outbreaks, such as diphtheria and measles, and how the invention of antibiotics led to the decline of this treatment method in the United States. They also talk about the current research studies being done to test the effectiveness of this treatment method on COVID-19 patients. Our host also speaks with Michael Busch, the Director of the Vitalant Research Institute, about how convalescent plasma transfer is currently being used as a treatment for COVID-19 patients at different stages of infection. They also discuss the process of convalescent plasma donation, something that anyone who has recovered from COVID-19 and now has antibodies can do. Listener Q&A: Should I go on an out-of-state trip with my husband’s family? I am antibody negative, how can I minimize the risk of becoming exposed to COVID-19 on the trip? This podcast was created by Just Human Productions. We're powered and distributed by Simplecast. We're supported, in part, by listeners like you. #SARSCoV2 #COVID19 #COVID #coronavirus

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0:00.0

I'm Dr. Saline Gounder and this is epidemic.

0:10.0

I'm Dr. Saline Gounder and this is epidemic.

0:16.6

Today is Tuesday June 9th. Over the past couple weeks we've been digging deeper into how the immune system fights COVID.

0:33.4

We've learned that when the body battles a virus,

0:35.9

it creates soldiers designed to defeat it.

0:38.5

Some of these soldiers include antibodies and T cells.

0:41.8

When the immune system wins the battle, it remembers its opponent, and that

0:45.8

often results in at least partial immunity to reinfection. There are all sorts of immune system

0:51.2

soldiers. Researchers are studying each one's role to

0:55.0

figure out how to develop diagnostic tests, treatments, and vaccines for COVID.

0:59.3

And when it comes to antibodies, they may have a role to play in treating patients.

1:05.0

In any epidemic, people who go first and survive having their blood the capacity to help others.

1:12.0

That capacity comes from antibodies.

1:15.0

This week on epidemic, we're discussing convalescent plasma

1:18.6

as a treatment for COVID.

1:20.6

That's a scientific term for the transfer of antibodies from a COVID survivor to a COVID patient.

1:26.0

It's one of the oldest moves in modern medicine's playbook, and it's currently being used to treat patients diagnosed with COVID.

1:34.0

The discovery that people who recovered from an infectious disease

1:39.0

had something in their blood that could protect others if it was transferred was made in

1:45.4

1891 in Germany and that in fact led to the first Nobel Prize. This is Arturo Casa Vidal, chair of the Department of Molecular Microbiology

1:56.7

and Immunology at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

2:01.8

The 1890s was a period of great excitement because doctors

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