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EPIDEMIC with Dr. Celine Gounder

S1E16 / Good and Bad Bosses / Adam Grant, William Kassler, Katie McGrath

EPIDEMIC with Dr. Celine Gounder

KFF Health News and Just Human Productions

Science, #Coronavirus, Health & Fitness, #Smallpox, Documentary, #Covid19, #Sarscov2, #Eradication, Life Sciences, Society & Culture, #Covid, Medicine

4.61K Ratings

🗓️ 1 May 2020

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

“We’re not working from home because we want to. Many of us are working from home because we have to. We are all thrust into this social distancing as a result of the pandemic, and in a very short time, we’ve had to adapt to some very unusual circumstances.” - Dr. William Kassler, Chief Medical Officer, IBM In this episode, Dr. Celine Gounder talks to Adam Grant, a professor at the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania. They discuss work during a pandemic and which companies are taking considerations to continue to take care of their employees, and which companies aren’t. They also discuss what good leadership during a crisis really looks like, and whether the COVID-19 pandemic may change the kinds of benefits that employers offer their employees. Finally, they discuss how companies can improve their work-from-home culture, as well as how their pandemic may change people’s work-life/home-life balance permanently. Dr. Gounder also speaks with Dr. William Kassler, the Chief Medical Officer for IBM, and Katie McGrath, co-CEO and Chief Strategy Officer at Bad Robot Productions about discuss mental health during a crisis, and how companies can best support their workers’ mental health during this uncertain time. They also discuss the importance of developing resilience and what exactly this entails. This podcast was created by Just Human Productions. We're powered and distributed by Simplecast. We're supported, in part, by listeners like you. #SARSCoV2 #COVID19 #COVID #coronavirus

Transcript

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0:00.0

I'm Dr. Saline Gounder and this is epidemic.

0:07.9

I'm Dr. Saline Gounder and this is epidemic.

0:13.0

Today is Friday, May 1st.

0:18.5

On this episode of the podcast, we're looking at work in the time of coronavirus. These are unprecedented times for workers and their bosses,

0:26.4

and so we thought who better to help us talk through the good and the bad of work during the pandemic

0:31.9

than Adam Grant.

0:33.4

Welcome back to the podcast, Adam.

0:35.7

Thank you.

0:36.7

It's great to be back.

0:37.7

Adam is a professor at the Wharton School

0:39.6

at the University of Pennsylvania.

0:41.5

He spoke with us back in March about how organizational

0:44.4

psychology could help convince people to follow social distancing and other

0:48.6

health guidelines. Adam and I were talking a while back about which companies were really rising to the occasion

0:54.9

and doing a good job of taking care of their employees in the time of COVID and which weren't.

1:00.0

So Adam, what do you think makes for a good leader in a crisis like this?

1:04.0

I think every leader, unfortunately, is having to make some tough choices right now.

1:08.5

And so when I think about how companies can handle this kind of crisis well, I think about a question of justice.

1:16.0

When we study justice, it actually turns out there are three kinds of justice that really matter in a hard situation,

1:22.0

like the pandemic crisis.

1:23.7

The first one is distributive justice,

1:25.7

which is basically trying to make choices

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