I'm Dan Pierce and this is Pressure Cooker.

I said I will never wear the E-Job or give up my many skirts.

Never.

It's the outrageous story of two misfits living on the fringes

and how they became the central players in a sprawling terror investigation.

We just hung out and played video games and smoked weed and did what we do, you know.

Pressure Cooker is available on the CBC Listen app

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This is a CBC Podcast.

Over the years that we spent reporting on John Nudall and Amanda Karoty

and their entrapment by Canada's National Police Force, the RCMP,

one name came up again and again in police reports, phone records, and testimony.

I can't tell you his real name for reasons you'll hear in this episode,

but throughout this series we've been calling him Kaz.

John and Amanda have a lot to say about Kaz,

but their most alarming allegation is that they believe he was working for Ceasus,

the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, Canada's spy agency.

And in the months leading up to the RCMP's big undercover operation, Project Souvenir,

they say Kaz wasn't just spying on them, but actually inciting them to commit violence.

He showed us videos of Palestinians with their legs blown off.

He was talking about how you wanted to put bombs in shopping malls and blow people up and stuff.

And he's always trying to push this violent shit on me.

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