S18 E20 - Friendship in the Lord: Friendship is Two People Growing (Chapters 3 & 4)
Abiding Together
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🗓️ 20 July 2026
⏱️ 36 minutes
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Summary
In this episode, we continue our book study on Friendship in the Lord and reflect on the ways God invites us to grow through the relationships He has entrusted to us. We talk about the importance of rightly ordered love, why true friendship always draws our gaze toward Christ, and the beauty of virtuous friendships between men and women. We also talk honestly about the fears, wounds, and misunderstandings that can arise in friendship, and the importance of repair in deepening a friendship. Friendship is not about finding someone to complete us, but about walking together toward holiness while helping one another become who God created us to be.
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Announcement:
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You can buy your copy from Ave Maria Press (or Amazon).
Journal Questions:
- When have I experienced healthy and holy friendship between men and women?
- Where is my gaze within my friendships?
- Do any of my friendships serve a higher purpose than just the friendship itself?
- When have I experienced enmeshment or avoidance within friendships?
- Do I prioritize my most important relationships? Who has the Lord especially entrusted to me?
Discussion Questions:
- How are you pursuing a friendship with the Lord?
- Do you think that men and women can have virtuous friendships?
- When have you unhealthily looked to a friendship to satisfy all your needs?
- Have you ever felt spread too thin in your friendships?
- Which example of holy friendship from the book resonates with you?
Quote to Ponder:
"Just as love for neighbor proceeds from love for God, so does faith concerning creatures proceed from this love, whether it be general faith or special faith. As there's a general faith corresponding to the love which we ought to feel in general to every creature, so there is a special faith belonging to those who love one another more intimately, like the faith which has established a close particular love between us two." (St. Catherine of Siena)
Scripture for Lectio:
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By his great mercy he has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who are being protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. In this you rejoice, even if now for a little while you have had to suffer various trials, so that the genuineness of your faith—being more precious than gold that, though perishable, is tested by fire—may be found to result in praise and glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. Although you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and rejoice with an indescribable and glorious joy, for you are receiving the outcome of your faith, the salvation of your souls." (1 Peter 1:3-9)
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
03:35 Scripture Verse and Quote to Ponder
05:11 The Friendship of St. Catherine and Bl. Raymond
08:57 The Order of Friendship
11:40 Can Men and Women Have Virtuous Friendships?
16:43 Friendship Ordered Towards Christ
19:24 Why Friendship with God Comes First
23:51 Growing Through Different Stages of Friendship
28:02 Rupture and Repair in Friendship
31:48 Closing Prayer
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to season 18 of the Abiding Together podcast. |
| 0:10.1 | The Abiding Together podcast is a place where you can find connection, rest, encouragement, |
| 0:16.0 | and strength on your journey with Jesus Christ. |
| 0:19.5 | My name is Sister Miriam James Heidland, |
| 0:21.7 | and every week I'm joined by two of my very dearest friends, |
| 0:25.3 | Heather Kim and Michelle Benzinger. |
| 0:27.7 | And we talk about life, we talk about Jesus, |
| 0:30.2 | we talk about our joyful, sorrowful, |
| 0:32.1 | glorious, luminous mysteries. |
| 0:34.0 | We talk about everything. |
| 0:35.4 | And you are most welcome to join us on the journey. |
| 0:38.8 | Whatever you're facing in your life, whatever your fears, whatever your desires, the Lord |
| 0:43.4 | is with you. |
| 0:44.6 | So please grab a cup of coffee, settle in, and welcome home. |
| 0:51.6 | Hello and welcome to episode three of our awesome book study on friendship and the Lord. |
| 0:58.5 | We hope that it's blessing you. |
| 0:59.8 | And I'm here with my two very dearest friends, Michelle and Heather. |
| 1:03.4 | Ladies, hello, how are we doing? |
| 1:05.3 | So good. |
| 1:05.9 | I was just saying to you all before we started recording, I love this book so much. |
| 1:10.7 | I knew it was going to be good, |
| 1:12.1 | but I'm surprised at like, I'm like, my little highlighter is just like wearing down, you know, |
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