In this episode, Joe and Nathan recap the Grand Finale of RuPaul's Drag Race Season 17, discussing the performances, the final lip sync battle, and the overall energy of the finale. They also reflect on Nathan's departure from the show until next year and the announcement of the co-host for All Stars 10. The conversation delves into the debate of whether lip sync performances or track records should weigh more in determining the winner, and they express their thoughts on the finale's format and energy. They also analyze the strengths and weaknesses of each performance, the impact of the contestants' backgrounds, and the overall production of the finale. The conversation also touches on the Miss Congeniality segment and a special appearance by Liza Minnelli, concluding with reflections on the season as a whole. Voicemail: speakpipe.com/afterthoughtmedia Email: [email protected] YouTube: youtube.com/dragracerecap Patreon: patreon.com/afterthoughtmedia Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices