If this is your first episode of The Upside, welcome, if you've been here before, welcome back.

Today is Wednesday, October 18th.

We are recording this from our home studio using a backup piece of equipment that I haven't

touched in two and a half years.

Three years.

Maybe three years.

Because I think the last time we recorded on it was for like right after Ellie was born

and you brought this little, it's like a little iPhone-sized recording device and we recorded

Ellie's show there.

But we actually recorded a full show yesterday.

I thought it was not our best show, so we scrapped the whole thing and we're starting over.

And so we sit down, we decide to record at night and then our main piece of equipment died.

So we used to rack up.

But we have a backup because I am married to Jeff Dollar and he is thinking of having

a backup.

And what's funny is I had a backup, the main device that we record on is made by a company

called Road.

So we have a road device at home and we have a road device at our studio at Industrias.

And we also had two extra road devices at home that were just in case.

Just in case both of the road devices in our life imploded, we had two backups.

And I finally said, truly it was two weeks ago, I said, why am I keeping these?

Because you're trying to eliminate, I think isn't that part of your active solution, like

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