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How To Fail With Elizabeth Day

S15, Ep8 How To Fail: Malorie Blackman, the iconic Noughts and Crosses author on rejection, racism and the importance of representation

How To Fail With Elizabeth Day

Sony Music

Society & Culture

4.89.4K Ratings

🗓️ 19 October 2022

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

TW: miscarriage

Today's guest is one of our most beloved writers: the one and only Malorie Blackman. She joins me to talk about how her setbacks have helped her define who she is - from being evicted and made homeless as a child, to the early years of writing rejection when over 80 publishers turned her down and the devastating loss of her second pregnancy. Throughout it all, Malorie Blackman has survived and thrived. In 2013 she was appointed the Children’s Laureate and now, at the age of 60, her books (including her most famous YA novel series, Noughts & Crosses) are a staple of the GCSE curriculum. In this interview, she talks about the power of resilience. It's a must-listen.

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Malorie Blackman's memoir, Just Sayin', is out tomorrow and available to buy here: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/441213/just-sayin-by-blackman-malorie/9781529118674

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How To Fail With Elizabeth Day is hosted and produced by Elizabeth Day. To contact us, email [email protected]

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Social Media:

Elizabeth Day @elizabday

How To Fail @howtofailpod

Malorie Blackman @malorie_blackman

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to How to Fail with Elizabeth Day. The podcast that celebrates the things

0:19.2

that haven't gone right. This is a podcast about learning from our mistakes and understanding

0:25.5

that why we fail ultimately makes us stronger because learning how to fail in life actually means

0:32.5

learning how to succeed better. I'm your host, author and journalist Elizabeth Day, and every

0:38.4

week I'll be asking a new interviewee what they've learned from failure.

0:43.8

Mallory Blackman is one of Britain's most beloved writers. Over 30 years she's written some

0:49.7

70 books which have sold millions of copies and helped shape our culture. Her most famous young adult

0:57.0

novel series, Noughts and Crosses portrays a fictional dystopia in which the situation of Black

1:02.9

and White people is reversed, with startlingly profound results. It was recently adapted for TV and

1:09.8

the rapper Stormzy is one of its most ardent fans. So when it came to writing her soon to be released

1:16.0

a memoir just saying there was really only one person who could do it justice. It is published by

1:21.9

Merke Books, Stormzy's imprint. But despite her success, Blackman did not start out as a writer. Her

1:29.2

parents arrived in Britain from Barbados as part of the Windrush generation and she grew up enduring

1:34.7

spells of poverty and homelessness. Although she wanted to be an English teacher, a school career's

1:41.3

advisor told her that Black people don't become teachers and she went on to study computers instead,

1:48.2

eventually becoming a systems programmer. When she turned her hand to writing in her late 20s,

1:53.6

Blackman received 82 rejection letters from publishers but she kept going convinced she had something

2:00.4

to say. Her first work was published when she was 28 so she really did have something to say and how.

2:08.6

By 2013 she was appointed the Children's Lariat now at the age of 60 but looking 21 I must say.

2:15.4

Her books are a staple of the GCSE curriculum. It's true. Most of the setbacks in my life have

2:23.6

propelled me forward she writes in her new memoir. There have been so many times when I thought my

2:28.8

life was ready set to run in one direction only to find myself heading down a completely different

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