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How To Fail With Elizabeth Day

S14, BONUS EPISODE! How To Fail: Kit de Waal

How To Fail With Elizabeth Day

Sony Music

Society & Culture

4.89.4K Ratings

🗓️ 13 July 2022

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

Our extra-special bonus guest today is the author Kit de Waal. Her debut 2016 novel, My Name Is Leon, told the story of a mixed-race nine-year-old boy and his quest to reunite his family after being taken into care. It won the Irish Book of the Year Award and has recently been adapted for TV starring Lenny Henry. Her second novel, The Trick to Time was longlisted for the 2018 Women’s Prize. A short story collection followed, and now de Waal has turned her gaze onto her own life. Her memoir, Without Warning and Only Sometimes, is out next month and tells the moving story of being raised by a Caribbean father and an Irish Jehovah's Witness mother who believed Armageddon was coming.
Kit joins me to talk about how reading became her salvation, the experiences of being mixed race and working class, her failure to read enough women and her failure to adopt a child. Plus - and here's the big one - her failure to ride a bicycle.

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Without Warning and Only Sometimes by Kit de Waal is available for pre-order here: https://www.waterstones.com/book/without-warning-and-only-sometimes/kit-de-waal/9781472284839

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How To Fail With Elizabeth Day is hosted by Elizabeth Day, produced by Naomi Mantin and Chris Sharp. To contact us, email [email protected]

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Social Media:

Elizabeth Day @elizabday

How To Fail @howtofailpod

Kit de Waal @KitdeWaal

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to How to Fail with Elizabeth Day. The podcast that celebrates the things

0:19.2

that haven't gone right. This is a podcast about learning from our mistakes and understanding

0:25.5

that why we fail ultimately makes us stronger because learning how to fail in life actually means

0:32.2

learning how to succeed better. I'm your host, author and journalist Elizabeth Day and every

0:38.4

week I'll be asking a new interviewee what they've learned from failure. When the writer

0:44.4

Kit DeVal got a publishing deal for her first novel, my name is Leon, after a six-way auction,

0:50.2

she used her advance to set up a fully funded fellowship for a disadvantaged writer to do a two-year

0:56.5

creative writing masters at Birkbeck College. As the daughter of an Irish mother and a Caribbean

1:03.1

father who grew up in working-class Birmingham in the 60s and 70s, DeVal knew how hard it could be

1:09.5

to break out into the creative arts. Before becoming an author, she worked for 15 years in criminal

1:16.0

and family law and used to advise social services on the care of foster children. The fellowship

1:22.2

then was her way of giving back, of extending a hand to those who, in her words, don't always get

1:29.4

the breaks. It was a typically thoughtful gesture from a writer whose work is rooted in empathy

1:36.4

and experience and who always seeks to give her characters a three-dimensional dignity on the page.

1:42.5

Her debut 2016 novel, my name is Leon, told the story of a mixed-race nine-year-old boy and his

1:49.7

quest to reunite his family after being taken into care. It won the Irish Book of the Year award.

1:56.4

Her second novel, The Trick to Time, was long-listed for the 2018 Women's Prize. A short story

2:02.5

collection followed and now DeVal has turned her gaze onto her own life. Her extraordinary memoir,

2:08.6

without warning and only sometimes, tells the story of a childhood of opposites and extremes.

2:14.7

Her mother was a Jehovah's Witness who believed Armageddon was coming and the only acceptable

2:20.9

reading matter was the Bible. It took many years for DeVal to find her way to books. When she did,

2:28.0

she would discover a love of reading that changed her life and inspires her to this day.

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