S13E22: JUSTIFIED SAVES – Whose Fight Is It?

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🗓️ 12 June 2026

⏱️ 68 minutes

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About This Episode:

We review a monthly set of justified save cases to discuss decision-making in defensive gun use incidents, including questions about who was the initial aggressor and when a threat had ended. The episode covers cases in Michigan, Oklahoma, Utah, Tulsa, Ohio, Philadelphia, and Florida, with incidents involving robbery, assault, domestic violence, forced entry, evidence handling, and police investigations.

We also give an update on the South Carolina case involving Chike Rick Chow, focusing on the later civil lawsuit after the earlier criminal process. Throughout, we emphasize the differences between criminal and civil standards and the risks of continuing a pursuit after an initial threat has ended.

As always, any questions or suggestions for future episodes can be submitted to podcast@concealedcarry.com!

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0:00.0	This is the Concealed Carry podcast, season 13, episode 22.
0:17.3	And welcome to the Concealed Carry podcast, part of the Concealed Carry.com network brought to you by HK. Today is Friday, June 5th, 2026, part of the concealed carry.com network brought to you by HK.
0:22.0	Today is Friday, June 5th, 2026 as of the recording of this live episode.
0:26.2	And I am your host, Riley Bowman.
0:28.7	And of course, joined with or joined by Jacob Paulson.
0:36.1	Yep, here I am.
0:41.9	Okay. I was like, I'm starting to wonder, is he here? Is he not here? I don't know. All right.
0:42.9	He's here.
0:43.9	Well, we're glad to be with you all today. This month, or this episode is our, what we'd like to
0:51.3	get back into the habit of doing, our monthly Justified Saves episode.
0:55.9	So we've got a bunch of great justified save stories.
1:00.1	This is what we refer to as we use justified saves to mean defensive gun uses, DGUs,
1:06.0	for those that are more familiar with that terminology.
1:08.8	These are typically civilian-oriented or based instances of defensive
1:15.2	gun uses. We try to pick the ones that we feel, you know, meet a justifiable standard. And
1:22.3	sometimes we talked about ones that maybe are less than justified in what not to do.
1:27.9	We got a story today that we'll share that's kind of interesting in that category.
1:33.4	Actually, several stories today seem to follow a little bit of a trend, Jacob.
1:38.5	I don't know if you picked up on this, but...
1:40.7	Well, third party involvement.
1:42.6	Yeah.
1:43.5	Kind of interesting because we don't... Like most of our justified safe stories for sure are first party, you know, involved individuals like defending themselves, depending their, I mean, defending their family, which you could say is third party. But usually it means you're defending yourself and your family, defending, you know, the occupants of a home. And then we have
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