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Guys, this is such a treat for me today

because I am talking to literally one of my lifelong best friends,

Catherine Mack. She and I have known each other since seventh grade and we have done life together consistently since then. I mean it's

pretty crazy that we've never not been best friends like we we talk even though

we don't live in the same town wherever I've lived wherever she's

been like we are talking on the phone I'd say every other week or so catching up we

walk through our work together. We have

we have similar age kids like we have just live life together.

Well one thing that is true is a lot of what I've written over the years

Catherine has read, helped with, touched,

because her spiritual insight, her wisdom,

her creativity has always been that which I've relied on.

What excites me about today is for the first time you are going to get

Catherine in your life. You're going to get one of my best friends in your life because she is releasing a book that is so beautiful and such a reflection of her heart and who she is.

So it's going to feel like when you get the book, it's going to feel like you have a little

piece of my best friend in your life and one of my most trusted voices and and dearest friends so I cannot

wait for you to get to know her Catherine I'm so excited to have you here you and my friend

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