There is a place that is spoken about only in whispers, a dark area that spawns the beginnings of urban legends,

a place where anything can happen and usually does.

During the light of day, it hides just outside of you, but when the sun goes down, spirits, creatures of the night,

Rome free and things do go bump in the night.

It is in every state and every country and there is no escaping it.

No matter how safe you see behind your locked doors and latched windows.

So we invite you to turn down the lights and turn up your radio while we join Dave Schrader and Tim Dennis, your hosts, on a journey into the darkness,

on the edge of town.

Welcome into the Wednesday edition of Beyond the Darkness, I'm Tim Dennis and for Dave Schrader, who is coming back from Mary Old England.

Of course, both he and I will be at Chicago Ghost Con this weekend and we're both very excited to be there.

It's kind of like going back home once a year. For David's literally going back home once a year, for me, it's kind of my adopt at home.

So I love going back to Chicago and I love going to Chicago Ghost Con.

Our guest today is the founder and organizer of Chicago Ghost Con.

On the line with us right now, Vs. Kip is Ursula Bielski. Hi Ursula.

Hey Tim, thanks for having me on today.

Well, it's my pleasure and we always enjoy having you on and talking a little bit about what's going on over there at Chicago Ghost Con and what's new and exciting for the year.

I'm excited because I'm talking conspiracy theories for the first time at Chicago Ghost Con.

I know it's so cool. I always tell you, what do you want to talk about? What do you want to do?

You just popped right up and said, that's it.

It's interesting because one of the things that really doesn't get covered, I think people are a little scared to tackle the subject because you can kind of go down the rabbit hole a little bit.

I think I found an interesting way to tackle it without getting into a four hour conversation about it.

Yeah, it's kind of like there's a thin line between careful theoretical conversation and oh my god, he's completely lost his role.

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