Welcome to the Codenovie podcast, where we talk to people on their coding journey

in hopes of helping you on yours. I'm your host, Suran, and today we're talking about using

no code tools to aid in your coding journey and your work with David Hong, director of design at Webflow.

So with codeless innovation, the idea was how do you build products faster? How do you find

ways to learn and understand before even writing a line of code? David talks about how he got

into code through the fine arts, the utility of using

no code tools both for learning to code as well as in your career, and what some of his

favorite no code tools are after this.

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Thanks so much for being here. Thanks so much for having me. So how did you start your coding journey?

My coding journey started very visual.

So I'll start with ever since I was a little kid.

Grew up very visually oriented.

Love to draw.

And it was the way I really liked to learn.

So the way I got into coding was using macromedia Dreamweaver back in the day.

Also, other visual programming tools like HyperCard for the Mac. And that was the introduction

for me into learning code because for me in particular, it was the sort of mental model that

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