I'm Molly Wansall. And I'm Jeffrey Wansel. And for the last 16 years or thereabouts, we have been having lunch every Saturday and often our conversation turns to murder. And that's what's prompted us to launch this true crime podcast called Blood Ties.

Hi everyone. Welcome back to the Blood Ties podcast.

I'm Molly Wansel and I'm here with my father, Jeffrey Wansel.

Hello everyone, welcome back.

Thank you so much for listening.

I hope you enjoyed them as much as I enjoy making them for you.

It's a great privilege and thank you for your support.

Yeah, thanks so much.

So in the last podcast, you said that you would tell us who you were putting forward this week as your, who you think. Tory leader.

Yeah.

Well, as I said last week, I don't believe, well, I don't believe they're going to choose a white British man.

A white atonian?

I don't think so.

But you can never tell.

As you know, the book is favourite at the moment is indeed a bald white British man called Ben Wallace.

Oh, yeah. The defence secretary, who's regarded as an extremely safe pair of hands and comparatively to many of his

colleagues unsullied. The second favourite is the former Chancellor, now no longer Chancellor.

Dishi Rishi Rishi.

Dishy Rishish. Dishi Sunak.

It's possible.

I think I can guarantee that it will not be the current Foreign Secretary, Liz Truss,

despite her turning her airbus round on the comeback from the Philippines in a great rush,

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