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Science of Reading: The Podcast

S10 E3: Finding fluency at the heart of comprehension, with Doug Lemov

Science of Reading: The Podcast

Amplify Education

Education, Science, How To, Social Sciences, Early Literacy, Amplify, Science Of Reading

4.5642 Ratings

🗓️ 22 October 2025

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Doug Lemov, former teacher and school principal, to discuss how teachers can identify when disfluency is actually the root cause for students’ struggles with comprehension—and what they can do about it. Using his new book, The Teach Like a Champion Guide to the Science of Reading, to guide the discussion, Susan and Doug address building attention stamina, the argument for reading whole books, and the value of...

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0:00.0

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0:05.2

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0:11.5

like Dr. Angela Duckworth, author of the bestseller grit, about phone policies and leveraging the

0:18.8

science of self-control in the classroom.

0:20.8

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0:27.9

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0:33.3

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0:42.3

If we're not attentive to fluency, we're pouring water into a leaky bucket.

0:46.8

Because it's such a simple task, we don't realize its consequences, and its consequences are very far-reaching.

0:55.3

This is Susan Lambert, and welcome back to season 10 of Science of Reading the podcast from

1:00.4

Amplify.

1:01.6

I hope you enjoyed the latest Science of Reading Essentials episode on dyslexia.

1:06.9

If you haven't listened yet, it's available right in our feed.

1:11.1

But now we're on to episode three in our season-long deep dive into comprehension.

1:17.1

So far, we've explored the simple view of reading and orthographic mapping.

1:21.7

On this episode, we're focusing on another prerequisite to reading comprehension, fluency.

1:28.6

My guest is Doug Lamov, former teacher and school principal, and author of Teach Like

1:33.5

a Champion.

1:34.9

In July, he published his latest book with Colleen Driggs and Erica Woolway titled The Teach

1:40.9

Like a Champion Guide to the Science of Reading. This book has an entire chapter on fluency, and that's what we'll dive into today.

1:50.4

By the way, midway through the conversation, you'll hear Doug reference a video of a teacher in the UK.

1:57.1

If you want to check it out, we've got a link right in the show notes.

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