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Science of Reading: The Podcast

S10 E11: Learning to read vs. reading to learn, with Timothy Shanahan, Ph.D.

Science of Reading: The Podcast

Amplify Education

Education, Science, How To, Social Sciences, Early Literacy, Amplify, Science Of Reading

4.5642 Ratings

🗓️ 11 February 2026

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Timothy Shanahan, Ph.D., distinguished professor emeritus from the University of Illinois at Chicago, joins Susan Lambert to distinguish between reading comprehension, learning from a text, and the process of learning to read. He compares learning to read with athletic training, explaining that just as athletes need to vary their workout intensities to maximize their strength, students need to vary their text difficulty to maximize their com...

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0:00.0

Hi listeners, it's Susan Lambert. If you're planning to be at the Plain Talk about

0:04.2

Literacy and Learning Conference this March, I would love to see you there. I'll be presenting on

0:09.9

the complexity of reading comprehension, sharing some of the biggest learnings and takeaways from

0:15.1

this season of the podcast. If you've been with me on this season 10 journey, then you know

0:20.3

there's a lot to unpack.

0:21.6

We'll also be hosting some podcast-inspired trivia with a chance to win special prizes.

0:27.6

Stop by our booth, booth number three, to learn more, or just to say hi.

0:32.6

I hope to see some of you there.

0:34.6

And if you can't make it to New Orleans this year, don't worry.

0:38.7

We're also planning something special for our podcast listeners.

0:43.0

Stay tuned for more.

0:48.5

A text that is immediately comprehensible leaves you very little to learn.

0:58.4

This is Susan Lambert and welcome to Science of Reading the podcast from Amplify.

1:03.7

We were midway through this season on comprehension when we discovered a piece from Dr. Timothy

1:09.4

Shanahan titled Don't Confuse Reading Comprehension and Learning to Read and Reread.

1:15.6

Dr. Shanahan's post was only about 1,500 words,

1:19.6

but it raised some profound questions about comprehension,

1:22.6

and the circumstances in which comprehension is and isn't our primary objective.

1:29.6

If you've been with me on the season 10 journey, I think you'll also find Dr. Shanahan's

1:34.6

ideas interesting, and I'm thrilled to welcome him back on the show.

1:38.8

On this episode, we discuss the distinctions between comprehension, learning to read, and learning more broadly,

1:46.2

and we discuss the classroom benefits that come with appreciating those differences.

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