It's 2003 in Birmingham.

Doors have been slammed in your face, you're not welcome here.

They were capable of murder.

Drive-by killings, gang wars, a vigilante group that fought against Jamaica's notorious yardies.

The home boy thought we're not going to take this anymore.

We're going to be even more violent than you.

Before turning on each other.

I'm Livy Haydock and this is gangster, the story of the Burger Bar boys.

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that this episode was recorded in a hotel

in the Edinburgh Festival while we were up there in August so if you're

wondering why it sounds a little different that's why also there might be a little bit of

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