Hello, hello, how are you guys today? It's Nicole. Welcome to the cure for chronic pain with Nicole Sacks LCSW, which is me. And I am so excited. We have such a fantastic interview for you guys today. I have my client Mickey.

Who you may know if you have taken my online course, Freedom from Chronic Pain, Mickey is the client of mine who was gracious and generous enough to join me for an on camera interview.

I think it's in lesson 12 or 13 where we discuss her pain journey to some extent, but I really think we kind of, we go to new levels today.

Because today is about year to two later and she is just really killing it. She knows how to journal speak my friends. This woman really gets it. And what's really important to understand about Mickey and what inspired me to invite her on the pod today is that she suffered in chronic pain and conditions for 40 plus years before basically crawling around her library at home and reaching home.

And reaching for a book as she was trying to clean out her library and realizing that book that was in her hand was healing back pain by Dr. John Sarno.

So Mickey is not somebody who just had chronic pain for a few months and then found this in heal. This is a woman who suffered for many years with many different conditions.

And she has so much to share because a lot of people get concerned that if they can't, you know, if they suffer for too long, they can't heal.

So I am just super thrilled to show you all the ways in which you may take these principles and use them in your own life.

And the best way to learn is to learn from others and they're amazing journeys. So I hope you enjoy it and I give you Mickey.

Hi everybody and welcome today. I am talking to my client Mickey and the reason I wanted to bring Mickey on today is because I have been hearing a lot on my journal speak page on Facebook that people are struggling for years and years with chronic pain and they're getting a little nervous.

They're scared and they're reaching out and sharing their concerns that maybe because they've struggled for so long and maybe because they're concerned that their neuropathways are so well tread that pain is just a reality in their lives that it's not going to be possible for them to heal or at the very least it's going to be incredibly incredibly difficult.

And I have been working with Mickey for several years and she had suffered prior to meeting me and finding Dr. Sarno's work for over 40 years with different conditions, one of which is was is always inspiring to me when I hear about it because it's seasonal allergies and a lot of people think that seasonal allergies are just a given, but Mickey will explain to you that after doing this work and after years and years on allergy medications and with different symptoms.

And I'm not going to be able to do that longer experiences any seasonal allergies and whenever I hear that one it's always really impressive to me.

But in any case Mickey struggled with not just seasonal allergies with back pain, knee pain, foot pain, all over aches and pains exhaustion and then ultimately the sciatica that led her to Dr. Sarno and to me.

So I'm thrilled to have her here today to share her experience, strength and hope with you. Welcome Mickey.

And Nicole, it's wonderful to be here with you. I love your podcast. So this is exciting. Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. And I'm so glad you're here because people are really needing to understand that just because they suffered for years and years does not exclude them from this healing.

So, so why don't you share with people your thoughts on your journey so far?

I would love to do that because learning Dr. Sarno's principles and then working with you has just absolutely turned my life around.

I live an entirely different life than what I had even three, four years ago. It's extraordinary to me to look back and to see all the changes that have occurred.

But as you had said before Nicole, when I was in my teenage years, I started with seasonal allergies and it just seemed like that was something that you get and everybody in my family had it. And so I was going to have it.

And so I went through all the allergy medicines and I did all the allergy tests. And it was really interesting because no matter what state I lived in and I lived in about four different states over those 40 years.

And each state I had the same allergies at the same time of the year didn't matter whether I was in the mountains or the desert or in the city or the country.

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