Hello, listeners. Thank you for joining us for another bonus episode of Killing Dad,

the Crystal Howell Story. You're here with Melissa and Kelly. We have an update for you as Kelly

went to go see Crystal in prison person to person face to face. We're going to tell you about that.

And we also have a member of the Howell family joining us for a wonderful conversation.

So I live in Los Angeles and I'm not able to visit Crystal as much as I would like to.

All of my communication with her is over the phone or via email. Kelly lives in Southern Carolina.

Kelly, how far is it a drive from your house to get to Crystal and Anson

prison? I'm so lucky. She's only about an hour, hour and 15 minutes from me. And it's all backroads.

So I don't have to worry about any sort of traffic. And it's a nice, it's a nice, lovely drive,

except I have no cell phone reception anywhere along the way, which is kind of good. It's a great time for me to just sit and reflect on everything and kind of go through my thoughts of what I want to talk to Crystal about when I go see her. Because as you know, you've been with me to go see Crystal. There's only so much time you're allowed. It's either one hour or two hours and like, that's it. So you kind of have to make sure you get everything out, you know, that you possibly can

when you're there face to face. And so yeah, I went a few days ago to go see Crystal. And she looks

fantastic. I mean, she's always looked fantastic, but she looks so healthy. She looks so great. She was in such great spirits. And I love that. And, you know, I will never forget this. And I hope she's okay with me saying this. But, you know, the first time I went to go see her solo, you know, she looks at me and I'm sitting across from her and she goes,

God, I don't know what we're going to talk about for two hours, you know, because it's like, what haven't we already said, you know, on our phone interviews, what are we going to say in person now? Well, next thing you know, we're getting the warning that you only got five minutes left. Those two hours went by

in the blink of an eye. So when I went to go see her this time, it was only for an hour visit. And again, it's the same thing. It's, it's, you know, we just, we sit there and we talk like school girls, you know, honestly, now it's kind of how it is. And I keep her posted on everything, kind of tell her what's all going on, you know, messages people have been giving us, you know, to give to her reactions that it's been.

And yeah. posted on everything, kind of tell her what's all going on, you know, messages people have been

giving us, you know, to give to her reactions that it's been. And yeah, the time just absolutely,

absolutely flies. It really does. Wait, didn't you get in trouble in one of the prison visits?

Did you pull out a piece of paper or a pen or what did you do where you were yelled at?

I did. I probably shouldn't be saying this,

but I apologize profusely. I had. I had like a little little piece of note paper of some

things I wanted to talk to her about and I didn't want to forget, you know, TMI for the audience.

You know, I have menopause brain. So I can't remember a lot of things half the time. And it takes me a while to kind of be like,

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