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From BBC Radio 4, this is Things Fell Apart.

Strange Tales from the Culture Wars.

I'm John Ronson, a writer living in America, the land where Culture Wars begin.

And by Culture Wars, I mean the battle for dominance between conflicting values.

These wars can obsess us, consume our lives.

I was curious to learn how things fell apart, and so I went back in history to find the origin stories,

the pebbles thrown in the pond, creating the ripples. This story takes place on the edges of Hollywood where ambitious people hustle around trying to make it.

It's about a man from that world, Isaac Capi, a man considered by many to be a true hero.

I want to say thank you to Isaac Capi.

You're putting yourself on the line big time for this.

Let's talk about the brother Isaac Capi behind the scenes with Hollywood.

Isaac is a hero.

But in fact the culture war that Isaac got himself embroiled in is an especially

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